Marine Corps numbers in Afghanistan left fuzzy


Sgt. Brian Matthews, a sniper with 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines, looks through his scope for insurgent activity while providing security for Marines and members of the Afghan National Interdiction Unit as they search compounds for weapons and narcotics in June. Marines with 2/9 recently left the battlefield, and will not be replaced. (Photo by Cpl. Isaac Lamberth)

The top Marine commander in Afghanistan and Helmand province Gov. Mohammad Gulab Mangal briefed media at the Pentagon today, addressing the evolving mission there as Afghan forces take the lead in providing security.

Many issues were addressed. Improved governance, for one. Expansion of the Afghan National Army, for another. Even the Afghan government’s plan to stir up commerce in Helmand was discussed, a wrinkle that hasn’t received much press.

Two basics weren’t covered, however: How many Marines are there presently in Afghanistan, and how many will be left this fall? Both numbers are unclear, now that the U.S. is in the middle of reducing forces across the country to 68,000 as part of the drawdown called for by President Obama.

Maj. Gen. Charles Gurganus, commander of I Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward) and Regional Command Southwest, told reporters that he won’t discuss the number of Marines in Afghanistan. That’s despite his predecessor, Maj. Gen. John Toolan, doing so several times during his tenure in charge downrange.

“I’m just not going to get into specific numbers,” Gurganus said, pressed by veteran Associated Press reporter Robert Burns on why he hadn’t said how many Marines were in theater. “I found out that I get in trouble when I get into specific numbers. But, we will have a sufficient amount of Marines to do the mission we’ve been assigned.”

That’s quite similar to comments from the general that appeared in a San Diego Union-Tribune story published over the weekend. In that one, Gurganus told embedded reporter Gretel Kovach that he gets “in a lot of trouble” when he discusses the current size of his force.

Compare that with Toolan, who commanded Marines in Helmand until March. In a March interview, he told me there were about 17,000 Marines in country at the time. He added that it was likely there would be as few as 7,000 by Oct. 1, the milestone at which there is expected to be 68,000 U.S. troops across the country.

“We’re going to have to make some tough choices about where the greatest threat is, and what the greatest need is in terms of the readiness of the Afghan security force,” Toolan said. Gurganus “is going to have to make a decision about how to best apportion the forces he has,” Toolan added at the time.

So, how many Marines are in in Afghanistan now? It isn’t exactly clear, but we can say this:

1) While I was at Camp Leatherneck in May, Marine officials said there were about 15,800 Marines in RC-Southwest. The entire regional command included 36,000 forces at the time, including 25,000 from the U.S., and 9,500 from the United Kingdom.

2) Since then, several Marine battalions have concluded their deployments and not been replaced. Most prominently, that includes 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines, and 2nd Battalion, 6th Marines, both out of Camp Lejeune, N.C. Combined, that’s at least another 2,000 Marines no longer in Helmand, dropping the overall number to no more than 13,800.

3) Gurganus said today that the Corps is about halfway through its drawdown this year. If that’s from 17,000 to 7,000, that leaves about 12,000. There could be more than that, however, depending on what time period he’s counting.

Gurganus stressed this morning that it’s important to note the increased capabilities of the Afghan military plays a role in the Marines being able to withdraw.

“It looks like we’re making an exodus of a lot of Marines out of this province, but at the same time, you have to take a look at their capabilities and how the numbers of the Afghan National Security Forces have developed,” Gurganus said.

“In 2009, we had one… brigade of Afghan National Army out here. Today, we have an entire corps of three brigades, and we’re building a fourth brigade,” he continued. “The police, which were almost non-existent in 2009, their numbers are way over 8,500. There will be plenty of security forces to continue the mission, and our challenge now will be to develop their capabilities.”

All fair points. Respectfully, though, with whom is the general concerned about getting in trouble? Gen. John Allen, the commander of all NATO forces in Afghanistan? The International Security Assistance Force Joint Command in Kabul? Obama?

Virtually anyone asking about the status of the Marine mission in Helmand is going to ask how many forces are there. The question isn’t going away anytime soon.


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I'm a senior writer with Marine Corps Times, covering ground warfare, manpower, weapons acquisition and other beats. I embedded in Afghanistan in spring 2010, and plan to return at least once in 2011.


  1. HwiskeyTango on

    Dont you think there’s a tactical reason for this? The media doesn’t need to know everything about a particular mission or operation, mainly to keep an advantage over the enemy and safeguard the troops. Now back off!!….

  2. Hwiskey, it’s our job to ask questions. When commanders decide they can’t answer, we have to report that, too. It’s possible the reason is tactical. It’s also possible it’s political.

  3. It’s good to have people asking questions but remember the answers you seek sometimes help the enemy in ways you don’t expect putting everyone on the ground at risk.

  4. Ex-2/7 Grunt on

    Yeah, yeah, all this secrecy stuff is not for tactical or strategic MILITARY reasons. It’s political. Go ahead, jump on the journalist. Fact is that the Taliban know we are pulling out, and they can also count. An exact number makes not one bit of difference. It’s not like you are reporting troop movements or any other “loose lips sink ships” type of information. So many Americans are way too lax in their critical thinking/questioning.

  5. No sense in giving the enemy ANY info they can possibly use to their advantage. The military in country are entrusted with our country’s safety and the safety of all those fighting for our freedom. Let’s give the military respect and trust they deserve plus confidence in their abilities to share/not share any pertinent info !!

  6. Namleatherneck on

    As faras I am concerned the draw down IS POLITICAL, anything to garner votes!!

    I feel in some respects this will be just like Nam, we will go home & the Taliban will move right back in!! So the last 10 yrs will have been for nothing!! We should finish the job!!!


  7. Nobody can say for sure whether the tight lips are politically or tactically motivated. Leaning on the side of caution, I say leave well enough alone. We don’t need to know everything.

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