This photo shows what witnesses claim were seven lights hovering steadily above Camp Leatherneck, Afghanistan in February 2010. Some suspect it was a UFO. (MUTUAL UFO NETWORK WITNESS DATABASE)
Forget “The X-Files.” This is “The Afghanistan-Files.”
A recently filed report on a UFO tracking website discusses an alleged sighting at Camp Leatherneck in Helmand province.
The report, submitted Feb. 26 by an unknown individual, describes an event on or about Feb. 7, 2010, when seven equally spaced lights were spotted in the sky. Through the duration of the sighting, none of the lights appeared to move or change. The report states that the lights were at a high altitude and didn’t blink, move or make any noise.
The witness was sitting in his office at the Marine logistics group compound when a Marine issued an alert about the lights. They stayed in the sky so long that people just started leaving.
“I hate to say it, but after maybe 45 minutes we just went back inside to work,” the witness wrote in his report to the Mutual UFO Network, a nonprofit that reviews reports of sightings and hosts a UFO database on its website.
A second Marine confirmed with Marine Corps Times that he saw the same lights at Camp Leatherneck in May or June of 2011.
Robert Hastings, a UFO expert and author of “Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites,” said there is a history of UFO sightings in war zones dating back to World War II, when both sides reported seeing secret enemy weapons. Sightings were also reported during Vietnam and the Persian Gulf War.
After reading the report and viewing the photos, Hastings said he believes what hovered above Camp Leatherneck was a bona fide UFO.
Jason McClellan, editor of Open Minds Magazine, a publication about UFOs, said military flares or Chinese lanterns can produce this effect in the night sky. But the length of time the lights stayed put, plus the witness report, make both of these unlikely, he said.
Hastings agreed.
For a more skeptical view, Marine Corps Times turned to military analyst Loren Thompson, chief operating officer at the Lexington Institute, a public policy think tank.
After reading the report, Thompson scoffed at the idea aliens would choose Afghanistan, of all places, to visit.
“It can’t be aliens, because they usually go to places that have leaders,” he said.
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Will SOMEONE please kick me in MY BALLS?
New weapon to defeat the Taliban send inn the Klingon K’tinga Battle Cruisers now US made, LOL.
Can someone do something about Loren Thompson stupid comment??? As I found the USA has had any leaders since Reagan…. It’s that kind of attitude that gets the USA in trouble all the time… Thinking that you own the world…
It seems there is a pattern…
Three pairs starting with the most distant light in the photo…
2-2-2-1
smacks head into the door post after kicking Bob in the balls..real hard!
@lonce its In not inn an Inn is a pub where drinks and food are served
blooming ech you have me at it now Lance not lonce typos are not bad spelling though so has anyone thought of Israeli intelligence? They seem to get away with everything
aliens usually come to places which have leaders ? What kind of a joke was that supposed to be ? Hallarious if this is their official statement
Aliens usually come to places which have the potential to be nuclear flash points or to war zones…..duh….
that thompson one deserves to be picked up and plonked in the middle of the amazon, the cheek of her…they usually go to places with leaders…well you should know, the US has leaders i bet they went there
“It can’t be aliens, because they usually go to places that have leaders” Guess they have been coming here all along and the heads of our governments/countries are the one’s they communicate with, as per Loren Thompson.
I was there at the same time. Some people are well aware of what this is. It’s not a UFO.
So Airmen, can you tell us what it is?
🙂
I would think it’s illum…. makes sense.
We use what we call linear illum shots to light up a wide area. That is exactly what it looks like.
These are neither UFO’s or illume. The altitude is too high to be illume. We saw these several times recently in Afghan, about 20 kms from Camp Leatherneck. They are likely from high altitude aircraft, some sort of flare system. They look like they are steady in the sky for a long while, but if you watch long enough they do descend slowly and then gutter and go out. During this winter when we were watching them the movement was more apparent due to the higher winds.
Wasn’t she implying Afghanistan is leaderless? If they were flares of some sort and people had been watching them for 45 mins. as stated, wouldn’t they have noticed some movement?
Robert Hastings’ insistence that this issue is a UFO-related matter is not surprising. Any well-conceived intention to research this man’s history will very quickly uncover a mass of evidence revealing his financial dependence on such claims, his fraudulent behavior in the support of such claims, and his habitual reliance on lies and subterfuge to popularize such idiotic claims. What is surprising is that this publication would actually seek him out as a well-intentioned resource instead of developing its own. Determining Robert Hastings’ take on any issue under the sun is a waste of time and effort. He cannot be trusted to present a balanced view or even a well-thought out review of the issues involved. He has repeatedly lied to the press in regard to UFO-related matters, and his reputation as a man who can claims some expertise on such matters is a result of his own easily revealed lies, his support of numerous UFO hoax stories, and his dishonest attempts to discuss these issues wherever and whenever possible. This publication should perhaps attempt a little research before publishing this tripe.
James Carlson
jtcarl@yahoo.com
Albuquerque, NM
You’d like to think that they saw them move if they watched for 45 minutes, but maybe they were too excited at the supposed UFO’s that they missed that bit. Put it this way, if it looks exactly like what we saw on several occasions, in the same local area, with the same assets in the air, and the same ongoing conflict area… Yeah, it must be UFO’s because apparently these VERY SIMILAR floating objects didn’t move…
James Carlson’s father, Eric, is a former U.S. Air Force ICBM launch officer who was involved, decades ago, in a UFO incident at a missile site operated by Malmstrom AFB, Montana—although the elder Carlson continues to deny it.
Nevertheless, I’ve interviewed other former/retired officers and enlisted men who’ve stated that a UFO had indeed been hovering over one of the Echo Flight ICBMs early on the morning of March 16, 1967, when the entire flight of ten mysteriously malfunctioned.
I subsequently published those persons’ testimony and, still later, some of the actual tape recordings of their conversations with me—thereby convincingly contradicting Eric Carlson’s claims of no UFO-involvement in the incident.
In response, son James has been libeling me all over cyberspace ever since. His father is telling the truth, he claims, and all of those other officers are full of it.
My taped conversations with Eric Carlson’s former Deputy Missile Combat Crew Commander, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, may be heard at:
http://www.ufohastings.com/articles/the-echo-flight-icbm-incident
Figel states that he did indeed receive a report from one of his guards of a “large, round object” hovering “directly over” one of the Echo ICBMs seconds after it dropped-off alert status and became unlaunchable. Figel further says that he and Eric Carlson were told not to talk about the incident by their squadron commander.
James Carlson continues to claim that Figel and others I have interviewed have disputed my published remarks, however, he never posts those supposed objections online. Gee, I wonder why?
Indeed, despite my repeated challenges to him, Carlson has failed to produce a single email or affidavit from Figel (or anyone else) in which he disavows my written summary of our conversations or, more importantly, my posting of our taped conversations.
Carlson has claimed that I doctored the tapes. If so, why hasn’t Figel said that online, in an affidavit, etc.?
The reason is because the tapes are legitimate and unaltered. I have recently challenged Carlson to pay for a professional analysis of the tapes, to verify all of this. He, of course, ignores my offer. It’s much easier to go on making unfounded claims about me and my work.
ufohastings@aol.com
Robert, you are so full of it. Your own witnesses have repeatedly come out to say that you’ve mutilated their statements to suggest the presence of a UFO that was never present. You’ve point blank refused to discuss the many, many fallacies in your work, just as you’ve failed to explain why your witnesses have either disowned your intentions completely or have changed their stories so many times that their accounts cannot be trusted. You’ve mislead your audience on so many occasions that it is now an expected response whenever you come out of your hole to comment on these stains of the ridiculous. As far as your “doctoring” of tapes, you always fail to mention that it is your own witnesses, the topic of those recordings, who insist that they’ve been doctored and that you have left out portions of the interviews, failed to discuss in any way their own conclusions, and have gone so as to lie about their own claims! I’m not the only one making these assertions — your own witnesses have done this, and you repeatedly neglect to mention that little fact.
You’re a fraud and a liar, Robert. Your own emails prove that fact handily, as do your numerous pathetic attempts to defend your “theories”. Not once have you been able to make a claim that couldn’t be easily dismissed as fraudulent. The only thing people have to do to recognize the character of the garbage you spew is to talk to your own witnesses. In every case, they can’t prove a jot of their testimony, they resort to changing their stories when close and exact examination is applied, or they back off completely and insist that you’re a liar who can’t be trusted to publish their own accounts as they were originally given. And when critics point that out, your only response is to attack their credibility by publishing morbid lies about them, by making up stories that reflect poorly on your objectivity and your honesty, and by attempting to manipulate your audience sufficient to prevent any examination of the ridiculous stories you’re literally selling to them. You don’t have a port in a storm, pal, because you have told so many provable lies in the past that there is no reason for anyone familiar with that record to read any further once your name has been attached to the issues!
These are easy charges to prove. Take Echo Flight for instance: if you really think you can substantiate a UFO that nobody saw or reported or investigated on the basis of claims made by a man who was not there, who bases his conclusions on the confirmations of men who insist not only that he is wrong, but that he has been lying about the claims asserted since the very beginning of his warped little ministry, then knock yourself out, sport. It will solidify your reputation as an ignorant lunatic who lacks the ability to properly weigh the evidence provided in order to defend men who have perpetrated a UFO hoax. And the fact that you do it for money is just obscene! I still can’t help but laugh out loud every time I think about the article you published claiming that Fred Meiwald confirms that a UFO took out the missiles at Oscar Flight in 1967 when the transcripts of his comments in the same frigging article have him stating very clearly that he has no memory of a UFO at Oscar Flight! I swear, the first time I read it I was in tears. I couldn’t figure out if you were dangerously insane or just a complete idiot!
I would recommend that those who are truly interested in understanding something about Robert Hastings’ credibility go to the following URLs, where they can download for free several supporting articles discussing in some detail exactly how far he should be trusted:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26641522/Americans-Credulous-by-James-Carlson
http://www.scribd.com/doc/42303580/Echo-Flights-of-Fantasy-Anatomy-of-a-UFO-Hoax-by-James-Carlson
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49495918/The-Bunny-s-Retort-by-James-Carlson
http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/
I would also recommend that you examine the numerous interviews and articles at the Reality Uncovered website: http://www.realityuncovered.net/ — many of the articles discuss the events and responses that Robert Hastings has tried to con the world into believing.
Robert Hastings refuses entirely to discuss the matter or answer any questions regarding the testimonies of the only men who were present during some of the alleged UFO incidents he has discussed, preferring instead to attack the integrity and credibility of those raising such issues. He refuses to offer anything substantial in the way of evidence, and fails entirely to explain the details of his claims or to answer any of the valid questions raised by his insistence. What he has done is rely on the craven use of blatant lies and baseless insults in regard to his critics without once managing to refute or even discuss their criticisms.
Hastings has even gone so far as to invent entirely the medical histories of his critics to suggest mental illness that has never existed! Meanwhile, he refuses to answer necessary questions regarding his numerous, proven lies, and has neglected as well to defend his own theories against numerous accusations of massive fraud and profiteering on a scale UFO proponent communities have only rarely been subjected to.
A lot information regarding these matters can be found at the Reality Uncovered forum, in particular the Echo Flight Incident thread: http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1688&sid=fb3fd24f098c0f3bc35595ea1b41a146. Every single detail, digression, discussion or subject of argument asserted by him has been explained and discussed in great detail in the documents and on the websites you’ve been directed to. Not one question has been left unanswered, a statement that Hastings could never honestly affirm for himself. He has created fiction and called it fact, something anyone willing to actually do the research can determine very readily for himself, as some of the events he discusses — contrary to his claims — have been declassified since before 1980.
Tim Hebert, an ex-USAF missileer himself, has also written some enlightening articles regarding the case on his blog at: http://timhebert.blogspot.com/. You should take the time to read them.
The folk tales currently being spread by Robert Hastings have not merely been dismissed as one possible interpretation of the claims, they have been repeatedly dismantled and shredded — proven as lies by witness testimony and documented evidence that he is unwilling to discuss or explain. Witnesses that he has presented to the public have actually come forward to dispute the claims made. They insist that their statements were taken out of context and distorted purposely in order to suggest the presence of UFOs where no such presence could otherwise be established. Hastings has helped to perpetrate a UFO hoax of the worst sort, and has attempted to destroy the reputations and career service of better men than himself, all to sell his books and enable him to charge outrageous prices for his lectures.
He has told numerous lies to support his assertions, and that should be taken into consideration whenever he presents such doubtful claims as those above that have been repeatedly consigned to the public trough.
IRT Walt Figel’s alleged testimony: why does he insist that Hastings has lied about his claims? Why does he very clearly assert that there was no UFO at Echo Flight? Robert, you’re just another con man who can’t get his story right. There is not one single withness who was at Echo Flight who says there was a UFO present — not one!! Walt Figel insists that you’re a liar and that he never made any UFO claims to you. How do you explain that? I urge anybody interested in these cases to do a little research for yourself before accepting what Robert says as factual. Every statement he has made above has been challenged by the same people he is using as a source! He says Figel reported a UFO, while Figel says he’s a lunatic and a liar. If you can explain that, you’ll go a long way to proving the point, I assure you. I suspect, however, that the only valid conclusion you’ll ever be able to reach is that Robert Hastings is a fraud, a liar, and a UFO hoaxer of rare repute. And that’s all…
seems some people will forever keep their heads buried in the sand….makes “disclosure” more difficult, but not impossible since there are more of us who do believe we are not alone in the vast universe. Kudos to you Robert. Keep up the good work!
Buried in the sand? That’s pretty insignificant given that Hastings’ own witnesses are the ones who have established his dishonesty, his reliance on partial evidence, his refusal or inability to argue the many criticisms that have been aligned against his claims, and his complete refusal to examine 95% of the evidence available. Tell me, does Walt Figel also have his head buried in the sand? What about Fred Meiwald? And if they do have their heads buried in the sand, why would Hastings rely on them to establish his UFO claims? The facts of this case are very easily affirmed: Figel insists that Hastings has purposely and consciously distorted his testimony to suggest the presence of a UFO that was not there; he insists that both Hastings and Salas have lied in regard to this case; Figel has repeatedly insisted that Hastings’ and Salas’ UFO claims are false, and that he told them this — a revelation that Hastings and Salas have chosen to ignore, just as they’ve ignored the many errors in their accounts that Figel pointed out to them. Was Fred Meiwald mistaken when he insisted that he remembers nothing about a UFO at Oscar Flight? Was his head buried in the sand when he denied completely a number of acts affirmed by both Hastings and Salas? I dare say your conclusions — like Robert Hastings’ — are useless when weighed against actual fact, and that it is you who has his buried in the sand, a position easily proven by your refusal to properly examine the evidence available. You’ve adopted a UFO stance that refuses to account for witness testimony, ignores the actual charges made by the very men Hastings has used as a resource to “prove” his theories. You have apparently decided to neglect most of the evidence available; I guess that makes your conclusions irrelevant in regard to this issue. Perhaps you should educate yourself before dismissing the claims of Hastings’ own witness program; until you do, your opinions and conclusions are ineffectual and a wasted effort to consider.
I’m not even thinking of getting involved in the bun fight over the Carlson vs. Hastings crap. And disclosure cannot come soon enough, I am a firm believer what all the evidence points to… but unfortunately here there is no doubt for me. I have seen this happen first hand! It’s not a UFO if it can be explained, and certainly not mysterious if it slowly descends to terra firma guttering and burning out on the wind as high altitude flares have a tendancy of doing.
As I said, James Carlson has not, and can not, produce one email or one affidavit from the officers I have interviewed to support what he says.
Not one…
Listen to the Figel tapes, folks, if you want the facts.
That evidence and those emails have been published at Reality Uncovered for over a year, as you know very well, Robert. In fact, the first of those emails was sent to you as well, exactly as I requested of Walt Figel. You are so willing to lie about these matters that you don’t even bother to think about them any more. Your flagrant dishonesty, your reliance on slander, and your refusal to discuss these matters or even recognize their existence has added much to your reputation as possibly the single most incontinent researcher in this field.
Have you simply decided to ignore all these little gems?
Figel writes:
“There is no record about anything happening at November or Oscar except in people’s minds that are flawed beyond imagination. Salas has created events out of the thin air and can’t get the facts straight even then. My best friend to this day was the flight commander of the 10th SMS at the time. He and I have discussed this silly assertion in the past couple of years – he thinks it is all madeup nonsense for sure. I put both Salas and Hastings in touch with him and he has told them both that an incident at November or Oscar never happened. In addition he was subsequently stationed at Norton AFB where the engineers tested the possible problems. No little green men were responsible.”
Or this:
“I have always maintained that I do not nor have I ever believed that UFOs exist in any form at any place at any time. I have never seen one or reported that I have seen one. I have always maintained that they had nothing to do with the shutdown of Echo flight in Montana.”
How about Figel’s insistence in regard to yur book and Salas’ book: “I have read both of their books. There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books. I have told them both that.”
Do you remember Ryan’s interview with my father, the commander at Echo Flight? He was equally clear:
“Eric: I was contacted by both Salas and Hastings and would neither confirm or deny anything they told me. I really didn’t want to get involved in a pissing contest with either. Hastings told me he had written a book and I told him that sounded interesting. He sent me a copy and while I cannot attest or comment on anything other than the Malmstrom incident I found that particular incident full of errors. A producer for some UFO TV series contacted me one time and a reporter from the Great Fall newspaper also contacted me one time. There were no follow-ups from either.
“Ryan: This is interesting! Hastings only called to talk to you after he’d written the book? Or was he calling you while he was writing his book in order to confirm information he’d learned from Salas?
“Eric: Hastings called after he had written the book. I don’t know what his motive was.”
Funny how you were able to put this whole thing together without even once talking to the commander of the flight! You must have some great psychic powers to get such a clear story from a guy who wasn’t even there (i.e., Robert Salas).
My father has maintained the same story for decades, and yet people like you continue to use him as a source for this moronic UFO tale when he has very clearly insisted that there was no UFO. And then you went around telling the world that Walt Figel disputes everything my father has claimed since 1967! I asked Figel about that. You do remember his response, don’t you?
“First – your dad has not lied about anything nor do believe that he is even capable of lying about anything at all. He was, is, and always will be an honorable man. You should remember that always – I will.” Some refutation.
Don’t act like none of this has ever been publicized. It is everywhere and easily available for anyone with internet access. Walt Figel and his friend, Dick Evans, the flight commander of the 10th SMS, both agree that the UFO nonsense about Echo Flight is imaginary — invented. He told this to both you and Salas, and said as well that an incident at November or Oscar never happened. You’ve never bothered to tell people that little tale, have you?
You’ve also never discussed Figel’s insistence that when the missiles failed at Echo Flight “It was just another day with a unexpected event in our lives. It was rather underwhelming at the time. No one rushed out to see us, no one made us sign any papers, no one interrogated us for hours on end.” That’s a story markedly different from the one you’re currently selling to people these days, isn’t it, you fraudulent snake? Have you ever publically noted Figel’s claim that Robert Salas “has made a 15 year career pandering about the country talking about things he has no knowledge about”? Probably not…
Walt’s claims were published months ago, you clown. I guess you just decided to forget this part:
“Walt’s final statement was probably the most powerful…because he makes such an excellent and revealing point, as he writes:
“I did read about a briefing on the 27th here in DC. I am here in VA about 10 miles away. Interesting.” Upon seeing this comment, my eyes froze at that line. What an important point.
“Yes, indeed, why would Hastings and Salas hold a press conference on the 27th in DC, and not invite Walt Figel, one of their primary and most important witnesses to one of the allegedly largest nuclear missile silo UFO shutdowns in the history of Ufology? Why would they not have retired Lt. Walt Figel standing in front of the cameras admitting that yes, indeed, a UFO was involved at Echo Flight?
“At the time of the conference, he is located only 10 miles away, yet they didn’t invite him. I wonder why?”
I don’t wonder why, Robert. You’re a liar and a fraud and your own witnesses have made that very clear. You can pretend that thpose emails don’t exist, but you would once again be lying. I have the originals, and your name is all over them, so what you claim does not exist was actually sent to you at the time! How blatant a lie is the story you’re trying to put together! Fraudulent clown is a good look for you, but I doubt it will do much for your ultimate legacy unless it also happens to be the one facet of your life that you expect to be remembered for. Let me guess: this whole thing is an act in progress, yes? I hate to break it to you, pal, but your story hasn’t progressed much the past year… Although I am willing to admit that you have learned something from it all. You’re now willing to make claims without the benefit of witnesses! You’re a real buffoon at times, Robert! Every next step you take just about brings me to tears from laughing so much. Thanks for that!
Robert? C’mon, Robert; you’re so endearing when you lie… Robert? No more fibs? You’re becoming such a let down… And just when I was beginning to think that cheap entertainment of the type you have always supplied me with could be easily had on demand. *** sigh ***
Col. Figel, per James:
“There is no record about anything happening at November or Oscar except in people’s minds that are flawed beyond imagination. Salas has created events out of the thin air and can’t get the facts straight even then. My best friend to this day was the flight commander of the 10th SMS at the time. He and I have discussed this silly assertion in the past couple of years – he thinks it is all made up nonsense for sure. I put both Salas and Hastings in touch with him and he has told them both that an incident at November or Oscar never happened. In addition he was subsequently stationed at Norton AFB where the engineers tested the possible problems. No little green men were responsible.”
Robert Hastings says:
So, James, *selectively* choosing your ammunition, as usual, to support your position.
Of course, you don’t mention that Figel admitted on tape—as anyone can hear—that his personal anti-UFO biases (Little Green Men, yuk yuk) had no bearing on the “serious” UFO report he received from his guards, but was skeptical of, regarding the “large, round object” hovering over one of his missiles when the entire flight failed at Echo.
Nor do you mention that I have Bob Salas’ former missile commander, Col. Fred Meiwald, on tape saying that Salas was entirely truthful and accurate when he reports a UFO at the other flight, Oscar, when those missiles went down.
Can you produce an email or affidavit from Meiwald, written after my May 6, 2011 conversation with him, contradicting any of this? If so, produce it here. (Don’t hold your breath, folks.)
Nor have you produced an email or affidavit from Figel on any date after I posted his taped conversations with me online. Of course, the reason is because he doesn’t dispute their authenticity, unlike you.
Figel, after accusing Salas of making up the UFO-related events at Oscar, as you mention above, never acknowledged that he had been wrong when he said that Salas’ statements were fiction, never called Col. Meiwald (whose number I provided to him) to verify the authenticity of Meiwald’s tape recorded comments in support of Salas—which contradicted his own uninformed opinions entirely—and frankly, never had the decency to apologize to Salas, even after Col. Meiwald supported Salas without reservation.
Figel’s tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth is one of the reasons he was not initially invited to participate in my press conference—where seven USAF veterans *with backbone* stuck to their stories and talked in detail about multiple UFO encounters at ICBM sites, including the Echo and Oscar shutdowns. The press conference video—streamed live by CNN—may be viewed at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI
With this caliber of witness (seven of them, actually) at the press conference, why would I include Figel, who told me on tape that he didn’t want to get caught up in the debate between you and me and fan the controversy further? That kind of wishy-washy attitude didn’t make the cut.
(Fortunately, lots of other expert testimony is available to substantiate the reality of UFO activity at nuclear missile sites, not to mention hundreds of declassified USAF, CIA and FBI documents summarizing these dramatic incidents.)
However, Figel did at least have the courage to say on tape that you were “off-base” and had “an ax to grind” regarding the events at Echo. Of course, you never mention that very crucial fact in your ceaseless tirades. But anyone can hear Figel say it on tape, if they choose to.
And, finally, I have spent the last few days engaged in productive activities relating to getting the facts out about the UFO-Nukes Connection. Several new projects are underway that will result in an even larger global audience for my well-documented research findings in the months ahead. Stay tuned.
Please keep spending your time on these little-read blog threads. It leaves the wider field of action wide open to my efforts with a minimum of interference from you. Keep up the good work, James!
Robert, you have yet to establish that your tapes are actually of Walt Figel. Have you forgotten that? Figel has clearly asserted that your claims are meaningless. The fact that his testimony can be confirmed by the documented evidence, the testimony of my father, the testimony of the UFO officer onboard Malmstrom AFB, the summary reports of the Echo Flight investigation, all of the message traffic related to this issue, and your own published interviews with Figel and Meiwald proves pretty handily that you are either incapable of properly analyzing the incident in question, or your habit of “cherry picking” the evidence you want to use has once again gotten out of hand.
If those 1996 tapes you published are actually of Walt Figel, then perhaps you can clear a few points up for me:
(1) If Salas had tapes of Walt Figel, the deputy commander of Echo Flight, asserting the presence of a UFO at Echo Flight, why was Salas calmly telling the whole world at that time that he was the deputy commander of Echo Flight?
(2) Why did Robert Salas write in a 11/10/1996 personal email regarding the taping of “Sightings” to Ray Fowler: “I am a little concerned, however, that they won’t get one of the Echo crew on tape. I have their names and phone numbers. They contacted them both and the commander agreed to be interviewed but they are more interested in the deputy who seems to be balking at an interview.” We all know why they weren’t inerested in the commander — he refused to support their UFO tales, and is on record with the producers of “Sightings” as saying there was no UFO. But why did Figel refuse outright? He insisted to me that he never told anyone a UFO was at Echo Flght, and yet those are the claims you’ve tried to establish. It’s a shame that until 2010, Figel refused outright to go on the record with anybody about a UFO, and yet you’ve decided to ignore that. You expect people to believe this 1996 “recorded” testimony about a UFO, even when Salas has already established Figel’s complete unwillingness to do so on the record — even in 1996! Do you have any kind of written testimony in which Figel makes such claims? No … but I do — a whole lot of written testimony insisting that what you’ve published is a lie. Funny how most of it was written by Walt Figel!
(3) Why didn’t Salas use any of this 1996 information until 2010? If it was so irrefutable, why didn’t he even mention Figel’s name until 2000? Didn’t he consider these “recorded” statements to be valid testimony? Or did he just think it wasn’t very important until 2010?
(4) Why does Figel insist that he never made the claims you’ve established on those alleged “recordings”? Why does he insist that my father’s version of the invenmts is accurate, if those statements are true?
(5) Why do you insist that none of Figel’s statements are true except those that support YOUR case? It seems to me that without Figel’s testimony, YOU don’t have a case. But you’re certainly willing to invent one for your purposes, aren’t you? And you accuse me of using only partial bits of the evidence available? I’ve presented over 80 pages of FOIA documentation, and ICBM histories that were only declassified in 2004 to support my case. You’ve ignored all of that. I reinterviewed your witnesses, and they refute your claims. You’ve ignored all of that as well. I hardly think you’re in a position to establish fact from fiction, since you’ve been writing fiction all along. It’s a shame, I know, but you’re kind of stuck with it since no other witnesses have ever come forward, and the two that have come forward insist that you’re a liar and a fraud. And you’re still trying to spin 1996 testimony that has NEVER been validated and that the supposed source has indicated is false or at least edited to support claims he never made? You’re pathetic, Robert. Try acting like an adult for once in your life.
Let’s examine your claims point-by-point, shall we?
IRT: “Of course, you don’t mention that Figel admitted on tape—as anyone can hear—that his personal anti-UFO biases (Little Green Men, yuk yuk) had no bearing on the “serious” UFO report he received from his guards, but was skeptical of, regarding the “large, round object” hovering over one of his missiles when the entire flight failed at Echo.”
Figel says he never made such admissions EVER. That pretty well clears your invalid claims of consisting of any real truth. I can make fake recording just as easily as you, but I don’t use them. Unfortunately for you, we already know that you’re willing to use fake reports from your own comments. Or don’t you remember the following details?
You wrote to the owners of Reality Uncovered the following text, trying to convince them not to publish my claims, as they were untrue. This is what YOU wrote: “I re-interviewed Walt Figel on Monday evening. Salas re-interviewed him on Tuesday evening. We have both conversations on audiotape and we are currently transcribing them. We asked Figel to address James Carlson’s interpretation of his statements and position on various things. James will not like what Walt had to say.
“Figel has given Salas and me permission to publicize his statements as we see fit. I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.”
Please note, Robert, that you have done NONE of that, because you were incapable of doing it. NOTHING that you stated in the above communication was true, and that was verified strongly by Walt Figel the very next day. Since Reality Uncovered was now positive — by your own testimony — that you are a liar and a fraud, clams that were immediately verified by Col. Walt Figel, they published all of Figel’s statements. Your response was not to immediately contact Figel and try to figure out where the disconnect was and how you could possibly have gotten such a clear statement from Figel so wrong — not at all! Your response was to state on the record for the next six months that I was lying, and had never even spoken to Col. Figel! You tell me what that says about your ethics and your high morals. None of these are unproven assumptions, Robert. They are facts.
Do you remember what Figel wrote when I told him about the above comments from you? Keep in mind that you were claiming “I re-interviewed Walt Figel on Monday evening. … We have both conversations on audiotape … We asked Figel to address James Carlson’s interpretation of his statements and position on various things. James will not like what Walt had to say. … I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.” Try your best to remember that you never published anything from that conversation with Figel, while promising for six months to do so, thereby proving your honesty and my lies. You posted none of it.
Figel wrote the following regarding this conversation with you: “I reasserted that I personally never did see a UFO at any time. I do not personally believe that UFOs had anything to do with Echo flight shutting down that year. I repeated that I never heard about an incident at November or Oscar flight and have no knowledge that they ever happened and that I doubted they did.”
He added, “I told him that when someone mentioned UFOs, I just laughed it off as a joke and assumed someone was just kidding around. I never took it seriously. I also told them that no one from any UFO office in the Air Force ever interviewed/deriefed your dad and/or me and that I do not remember ever signing any papers about anything. In fact, I told them that until he mentioned it, I did not even know there was an office that monitored sightings of “UFOs” in the Air Force.
“When your dad and I came topside the next day – no one ever said anything about UFOs and there was no ‘large gathering’ of people on site that morning.”
Tell me, Robert, are these the claims that I allegedly would not like?
You never did post “a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations.” You promised to do so for another six months, but published nothing except your insistence that I had never spoken to Figel. On the day before your September 27 dog and pony show at the Press Club in Washington, DC you FINALLY published a rebuttal of sorts, what you and Salas claim are recordings of Figel from 1996, only doing so, I believe, because you had been promising for so long to publish something, some form of rebuttal to what Figel and my father had been insisting upon for so long.
None of your assertions in that communication of yours are true, and yet you told Reality Uncovered that you would post transcripts and recordings of Figel making statements that were provably NEVER made, and you very likely would have done so had not we beat you to the punch by releasing Figel’s actual claims first. The point is, you threatened to do exactly what you are now denying in full knowledge that those statements would not be true, statements that Figel insists he NEVER made to you.
Why would you insist that “Figel has given Salas and me permission to publicize his statements as we see fit. I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online”, if you were not prepared to do so? And yet, we have absolute proof that Figel never made the claims YOU insisted that he made. I think it’s reasonable to assume that a man preparing to publish “a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations” that never actually existed would have to forge a fake recording in order to do so.
Figel did not merely insist that he does not believe in UFOs. Every aspect of his claims refutes the presence of a real UFO, the sighting of a real UFO, the report of a real UFO, and the subsequent investigation of a real UFO, as does all of the remaining evidence, which you have shown a remarkable propensity to ignore. The fact that nobody on the planet has ever produced a UFO report in regard to this case is merely another of many reasons we have to consider you and Salas to be a couple of shamelessly dishonest cranks. And don’t think for a moment that I haven’t noted your tendency to ignore 95% of the evidence available, to argue only those little bits of the subject that you think you can actually get your head around — a supposition that disappears entirely when we take into account the well-substantiated fact that you have absolutely no real understanding of this case. After all, you’ve never defended it — you just attack those making contrary claims, while failing utterly to explain most of the facts that Tim Hebert, Tim Printy, Reality Uncovered and I have presented, choosing instead to say “everybody’s lying but me”, and “Figel’s testimony is crap — all except that little part that supports my claims!” You can’t possibly explain all of the facts of this case, because you don’t give a damn about facts in general!
IRT: “Nor do you mention that I have Bob Salas’ former missile commander, Col. Fred Meiwald, on tape saying that Salas was entirely truthful and accurate when he reports a UFO at the other flight, Oscar, when those missiles went down.”
I’ve mentioned it on numerous occasions, which you’ve decided to ignore. In fact, I’ve already published an in-depth article establishing your deceit in regard to Meiwlad’s claims entitled “Strategic Editing”. You might want to look at it before insisting that I’ve neglected to take his commentaries into account. You can find it at http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/ . More to the point, however, your own transcripts of the interview you had with Col. Meiwald establish pretty definitively that Fredf Meiwald has no memory at all of a UFO at Oscar Flight! Have you simply decided to ignore that aspect of his claims? Did you just forget the following part of your transcripts?
RH: Okay. Now, when Bob, I think moments [after] he woke you up, or you got up and sat down at the commander’s console—he of course had received a call from the Flight Security Controller, saying that there was a bright red, oval-shaped object hovering over the security fence gate—my understanding is that is what he told you as soon as you were at your console, that he had received this call and, uh, that of course coincided with the missiles beginning to malfunction. Do you recall him telling you that?
FM: I really don’t remember that portion of it, relative to the bright object. I remember an unusual condition [but] as far as the details, uh, I can’t elaborate on that.
I like this part, too, since it shows how remarkably clumsy you can be when trying to establish fiction as fact:
RH: Okay. He of course has also said that you two were, uh, when you were back at Malmstrom, you were debriefed by OSI and required to sign non-disclosure statements. Do you remember that?
FM: I remember being directed to do that. But that was no problem. I’ve been one of these people, when told to forget something, I forget it—eventually [inaudible].
RH: Right, well, is that a polite way of saying that you really don’t want to discuss this, even though you know more than you’re saying?
FM: No, I’m saying I don’t remember.
Pretty remarkable, even for you, Robert. One question: do you remember the comments you left at Reality Uncovered? Because they establish pretty clearly as well just how far Meiwald is willing to go in ordfer to link missile failures at Oscar Flight with a UFO:
“Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said about the incident because he had been resting/sleeping when the first missile or two dropped offline -— which occurred moments after Salas received a report from the Oscar Flight Security Controller about a UFO hovering over the Launch Control Facility’s front gate.
“Although Salas had quickly told Meiwald about that telephone conversation, Meiwald says that he can’t remember it.”
It seems to me that the only person here who is neglecting to examine evidence is YOU. But I established that years ago, claims that you shine a spotlight on every time you publish another set of easily proven lies and conclusions reached without evidence to back them up!
IRT: “Can you produce an email or affidavit from Meiwald, written after my May 6, 2011 conversation with him, contradicting any of this? If so, produce it here. (Don’t hold your breath, folks.)”
Trying reading you own article you incontinent fake! And try reading “Strategic Editing” at http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/ ; it shows exactly how far you will go to publish a lie as having any basis in fact. I don’t have to produce anything from Meiwald. You’ve already done it, for chrissake. You just aren’t bright enough to realize that! More importantly, you’ve failed completely to link any missile failures with a UFO! Meiwald discusses two separate incidents: missile failures (which were common in 1967), and a UFO sighting that he only learned about second-hand. No where have you managed to link these two incidents, while I’ve published a large amount of materials indicating that they cannot be linked. You have been completely unable to get a statement from Meiwald stating very clearly “we had 8-10 missiles fail at the same time a UFO was reported at Oscar Flight”. How hard is it to get these simple, cohesive statements? You couldn’t get it with Figel, and you can’t get it with Meiwald. All you can get is a discussion of 2-4 missiles failing and a second-hand report of a UFO that he clearly doesn’t remember, which is a long way from 8-10 missiles failing due to a UFO incursion! It’s no wonder people don’t trust you; you’re either obtuse with little ability to conduct a simple interview, you’re a complete idiot, or you’re lying! No other outcome can be supported by the claims you’ve made. Maybe you should get the substantiation of your claims from your witnesses first, before trying to manipulate their testimony to suggest claims that haven’t actually been made.
IRT: “Nor have you produced an email or affidavit from Figel on any date after I posted his taped conversations with me online. Of course, the reason is because he doesn’t dispute their authenticity, unlike you.”
You are brain-dead. I’ve published numerous articles establishing exactly that, while you’ve failed to produce anything at all that was actually recorded after April 2011. In fact, the above letter that he wrote to me was drafted after you posted the alleged 1996 testimony! It is a response to your claims of what he supposedly said in 1996! You’ve ignored completely Figel’s own insistence that you’re a liar and a fraud. You can’t twist these dates around — I have the originals, and I know he sent you the same accounts he sent me. Your “evidence” is nothing more than your rehashing of old materials that he has already refuted! All you’ve done since then is publish lies that are little more than warped accounts of the original statements! For God’s sake, the last thing you posted was allegedly recorded in 1996! And Figel has already refuted all of it. I don’t need any more statements to prove you a liar and a buffoon. You do that quite well enough on your own.
IRT: “Figel, after accusing Salas of making up the UFO-related events at Oscar, as you mention above, never acknowledged that he had been wrong when he said that Salas’ statements were fiction, never called Col. Meiwald (whose number I provided to him) to verify the authenticity of Meiwald’s tape recorded comments in support of Salas—which contradicted his own uninformed opinions entirely—and frankly, never had the decency to apologize to Salas, even after Col. Meiwald supported Salas without reservation.”
He wasn’t wrong! Salas lied and you’v emanipulated evidence to try and back it up, failing miserably, I might add. And as I’ve already established, Meiwald didn’t contradict anything Figel has asserted, and his comments are not a vindication of Salas. Calling an elephant a giraffe, doesn’t make it a giraffe. The fact is simple: you have not established any vindication of Salas, not through Meiwald, not through Figel, and not with your vivid imagination. You’re apparently too stupid to see that! Meiwald has clearly stated that he doesn’t remember anything about a UFO, but you’re so convoluted in your efforts of logic, that you see the denial of a UFO as a confirmation of a UFO. Try reading the testimony before judging its worth! Col. Meiwald supports Salas without reservation? You’re a fool if you believe that. Do you so quickly deny your own words? You wrote:
“Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said about the incident because he had been resting/sleeping when the first missile or two dropped offline -— which occurred moments after Salas received a report from the Oscar Flight Security Controller about a UFO hovering over the Launch Control Facility’s front gate.
“Although Salas had quickly told Meiwald about that telephone conversation, Meiwald says that he can’t remember it.”
How do you get from “Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said” to “Col. Meiwald supported Salas without reservation”? You’re a head-case, pal. Personally, I think you’re just making all of this up and sounding like a total lunatic, because you would prefer that people think you’re delusional instead of a dishonest hoaxer and a conscious fraud, but either way, your case is unsupportable, and your witnesses will not salvage that loss. They either don’t remember a UFO or they deny that a UFO was ever reported. Your own deceit supports that conclusion.
IRT: “Figel’s tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth is one of the reasons he was not initially invited to participate in my press conference—where seven USAF veterans *with backbone* stuck to their stories and talked in detail about multiple UFO encounters at ICBM sites, including the Echo and Oscar shutdowns. The press conference video—streamed live by CNN—may be viewed at: [Blah, blah, blah].
“With this caliber of witness (seven of them, actually) at the press conference, why would I include Figel, who told me on tape that he didn’t want to get caught up in the debate between you and me and fan the controversy further? That kind of wishy-washy attitude didn’t make the cut.”
So you finally admit that Figel’s testimony is tainted. And yet, you insist that the portion allegedly supporting YOUR claims is true, while everything else is not. Perhaps you missed the part where Figel claims he never made those earlier assertions? What you call “Figel’s tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth”, Figel makes very clear is his claims being warped and abused by you and Salas. He says he’s been consistent. You say he’s lying now that your tendency to mutilate witness claims has been established. Either way, you have still failed to establish your claims as having any basis in reality. As for those USAF veterans who “stuck to their stories”, I have to ask, which ones? Because they’ve very provably changed those stories on numerous occasions, which is one of the many reasons so many people dismiss your claims, and their “little folk tales”.
I’m glad, however, that you’ve finally admitted that Figel was not invited to your press conference. If you remember, the first time I asked you “why”, you told me he had been invited, and would have been welcome. I guess that’s just one more example of your habitual reliance on lies and subterfuge.
IRT: “However, Figel did at least have the courage to say on tape that you were “off-base” and had “an ax to grind” regarding the events at Echo. Of course, you never mention that very crucial fact in your ceaseless tirades. But anyone can hear Figel say it on tape, if they choose to.”
As if that’s relevant. You’ve told so many lies about what Figel and my father have allegedly told you on tape that you’ve failed to ever produce, that I just don’t care anymore. You always lie first, and you always end with irrelevant insults that can’t be supported by anything. You have a notable habit for discussing all of the evidence you have yet to produce. With some of it, as in the letter to Reality Uncovered above, we’ve been able to prove that it’s just more of your lies. It is this characteristic of your strategies that proves your ultimate worthiness of trust. I know you’re lying, because I’ve been able to prove so many of your lies so easily.
IRT: “Keep up the good work, James!”
Count on it, pal. It’s my policy. Your credibility declines every time I answer your ridiculous claims with well-established facts. And every time you attempt to defend your claims, you fail, because at their core is the base dishonesty you have always relied upon. And I truly enjoy pointing that out to anybody who might otherwise want to give your claims an honest appraisal.
Robert, you have yet to establish that your tapes are actually of Walt Figel. Have you forgotten that? Figel has clearly asserted that your claims are meaningless. The fact that his testimony can be confirmed by the documented evidence, the testimony of my father, the testimony of the UFO officer onboard Malmstrom AFB, the summary reports of the Echo Flight investigation, all of the message traffic related to this issue, and your own published interviews with Figel and Meiwald proves pretty handily that you are either incapable of properly analyzing the incident in question, or your habit of “cherry picking” the evidence you want to use has once again gotten out of hand.
If those 1996 tapes you published are actually of Walt Figel, then perhaps you can clear a few points up for me:
(1) If Salas had tapes of Walt Figel, the deputy commander of Echo Flight, asserting the presence of a UFO at Echo Flight, why was Salas calmly telling the whole world at that time that he was the deputy commander of Echo Flight?
(2) Why did Robert Salas write in a 11/10/1996 personal email regarding the taping of “Sightings” to Ray Fowler: “I am a little concerned, however, that they won’t get one of the Echo crew on tape. I have their names and phone numbers. They contacted them both and the commander agreed to be interviewed but they are more interested in the deputy who seems to be balking at an interview.” We all know why they weren’t inerested in the commander — he refused to support their UFO tales, and is on record with the producers of “Sightings” as saying there was no UFO. But why did Figel refuse outright? He insisted to me that he never told anyone a UFO was at Echo Flght, and yet those are the claims you’ve tried to establish. It’s a shame that until 2010, Figel refused outright to go on the record with anybody about a UFO, and yet you’ve decided to ignore that. You expect people to believe this 1996 “recorded” testimony about a UFO, even when Salas has already established Figel’s complete unwillingness to do so on the record — even in 1996! Do you have any kind of written testimony in which Figel makes such claims? No … but I do — a whole lot of written testimony insisting that what you’ve published is a lie. Funny how most of it was written by Walt Figel!
(3) Why didn’t Salas use any of this 1996 information until 2010? If it was so irrefutable, why didn’t he even mention Figel’s name until 2000? Didn’t he consider these “recorded” statements to be valid testimony? Or did he just think it wasn’t very important until 2010?
(4) Why does Figel insist that he never made the claims you’ve established on those alleged “recordings”? Why does he insist that my father’s version of the invenmts is accurate, if those statements are true?
(5) Why do you insist that none of Figel’s statements are true except those that support YOUR case? It seems to me that without Figel’s testimony, YOU don’t have a case. But you’re certainly willing to invent one for your purposes, aren’t you? And you accuse me of using only partial bits of the evidence available? I’ve presented over 80 pages of FOIA documentation, and ICBM histories that were only declassified in 2004 to support my case. You’ve ignored all of that. I reinterviewed your witnesses, and they refute your claims. You’ve ignored all of that as well. I hardly think you’re in a position to establish fact from fiction, since you’ve been writing fiction all along. It’s a shame, I know, but you’re kind of stuck with it since no other witnesses have ever come forward, and the two that have come forward insist that you’re a liar and a fraud. And you’re still trying to spin 1996 testimony that has NEVER been validated and that the supposed source has indicated is false or at least edited to support claims he never made? You’re pathetic, Robert. Try acting like an adult for once in your life.
Let’s examine your claims point-by-point, shall we?
IRT: “Of course, you don’t mention that Figel admitted on tape—as anyone can hear—that his personal anti-UFO biases (Little Green Men, yuk yuk) had no bearing on the “serious” UFO report he received from his guards, but was skeptical of, regarding the “large, round object” hovering over one of his missiles when the entire flight failed at Echo.”
Figel says he never made such admissions EVER. That pretty well clears your invalid claims of consisting of any real truth. I can make fake recording just as easily as you, but I don’t use them. Unfortunately for you, we already know that you’re willing to use fake reports from your own comments. Or don’t you remember the following details?
You wrote to the owners of Reality Uncovered the following text, trying to convince them not to publish my claims, as they were untrue. This is what YOU wrote: “I re-interviewed Walt Figel on Monday evening. Salas re-interviewed him on Tuesday evening. We have both conversations on audiotape and we are currently transcribing them. We asked Figel to address James Carlson’s interpretation of his statements and position on various things. James will not like what Walt had to say.
“Figel has given Salas and me permission to publicize his statements as we see fit. I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.”
Please note, Robert, that you have done NONE of that, because you were incapable of doing it. NOTHING that you stated in the above communication was true, and that was verified strongly by Walt Figel the very next day. Since Reality Uncovered was now positive — by your own testimony — that you are a liar and a fraud, clams that were immediately verified by Col. Walt Figel, they published all of Figel’s statements. Your response was not to immediately contact Figel and try to figure out where the disconnect was and how you could possibly have gotten such a clear statement from Figel so wrong — not at all! Your response was to state on the record for the next six months that I was lying, and had never even spoken to Col. Figel! You tell me what that says about your ethics and your high morals. None of these are unproven assumptions, Robert. They are facts.
Do you remember what Figel wrote when I told him about the above comments from you? Keep in mind that you were claiming “I re-interviewed Walt Figel on Monday evening. … We have both conversations on audiotape … We asked Figel to address James Carlson’s interpretation of his statements and position on various things. James will not like what Walt had to say. … I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.” Try your best to remember that you never published anything from that conversation with Figel, while promising for six months to do so, thereby proving your honesty and my lies. You posted none of it.
Figel wrote the following regarding this conversation with you: “I reasserted that I personally never did see a UFO at any time. I do not personally believe that UFOs had anything to do with Echo flight shutting down that year. I repeated that I never heard about an incident at November or Oscar flight and have no knowledge that they ever happened and that I doubted they did.”
He added, “I told him that when someone mentioned UFOs, I just laughed it off as a joke and assumed someone was just kidding around. I never took it seriously. I also told them that no one from any UFO office in the Air Force ever interviewed/deriefed your dad and/or me and that I do not remember ever signing any papers about anything. In fact, I told them that until he mentioned it, I did not even know there was an office that monitored sightings of “UFOs” in the Air Force.
“When your dad and I came topside the next day – no one ever said anything about UFOs and there was no ‘large gathering’ of people on site that morning.”
Tell me, Robert, are these the claims that I allegedly would not like?
You never did post “a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations.” You promised to do so for another six months, but published nothing except your insistence that I had never spoken to Figel. On the day before your September 27 dog and pony show at the Press Club in Washington, DC you FINALLY published a rebuttal of sorts, what you and Salas claim are recordings of Figel from 1996, only doing so, I believe, because you had been promising for so long to publish something, some form of rebuttal to what Figel and my father had been insisting upon for so long.
None of your assertions in that communication of yours are true, and yet you told Reality Uncovered that you would post transcripts and recordings of Figel making statements that were provably NEVER made, and you very likely would have done so had not we beat you to the punch by releasing Figel’s actual claims first. The point is, you threatened to do exactly what you are now denying in full knowledge that those statements would not be true, statements that Figel insists he NEVER made to you.
Why would you insist that “Figel has given Salas and me permission to publicize his statements as we see fit. I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online”, if you were not prepared to do so? And yet, we have absolute proof that Figel never made the claims YOU insisted that he made. I think it’s reasonable to assume that a man preparing to publish “a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations” that never actually existed would have to forge a fake recording in order to do so.
Figel did not merely insist that he does not believe in UFOs. Every aspect of his claims refutes the presence of a real UFO, the sighting of a real UFO, the report of a real UFO, and the subsequent investigation of a real UFO, as does all of the remaining evidence, which you have shown a remarkable propensity to ignore. The fact that nobody on the planet has ever produced a UFO report in regard to this case is merely another of many reasons we have to consider you and Salas to be a couple of shamelessly dishonest cranks. And don’t think for a moment that I haven’t noted your tendency to ignore 95% of the evidence available, to argue only those little bits of the subject that you think you can actually get your head around — a supposition that disappears entirely when we take into account the well-substantiated fact that you have absolutely no real understanding of this case. After all, you’ve never defended it — you just attack those making contrary claims, while failing utterly to explain most of the facts that Tim Hebert, Tim Printy, Reality Uncovered and I have presented, choosing instead to say “everybody’s lying but me”, and “Figel’s testimony is crap — all except that little part that supports my claims!” You can’t possibly explain all of the facts of this case, because you don’t give a damn about facts in general!
IRT: “Nor do you mention that I have Bob Salas’ former missile commander, Col. Fred Meiwald, on tape saying that Salas was entirely truthful and accurate when he reports a UFO at the other flight, Oscar, when those missiles went down.”
I’ve mentioned it on numerous occasions, which you’ve decided to ignore. In fact, I’ve already published an in-depth article establishing your deceit in regard to Meiwlad’s claims entitled “Strategic Editing”. You might want to look at it before insisting that I’ve neglected to take his commentaries into account. You can find it at http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/ . More to the point, however, your own transcripts of the interview you had with Col. Meiwald establish pretty definitively that Fredf Meiwald has no memory at all of a UFO at Oscar Flight! Have you simply decided to ignore that aspect of his claims? Did you just forget the following part of your transcripts?
RH: Okay. Now, when Bob, I think moments [after] he woke you up, or you got up and sat down at the commander’s console—he of course had received a call from the Flight Security Controller, saying that there was a bright red, oval-shaped object hovering over the security fence gate—my understanding is that is what he told you as soon as you were at your console, that he had received this call and, uh, that of course coincided with the missiles beginning to malfunction. Do you recall him telling you that?
FM: I really don’t remember that portion of it, relative to the bright object. I remember an unusual condition [but] as far as the details, uh, I can’t elaborate on that.
I like this part, too, since it shows how remarkably clumsy you can be when trying to establish fiction as fact:
RH: Okay. He of course has also said that you two were, uh, when you were back at Malmstrom, you were debriefed by OSI and required to sign non-disclosure statements. Do you remember that?
FM: I remember being directed to do that. But that was no problem. I’ve been one of these people, when told to forget something, I forget it—eventually [inaudible].
RH: Right, well, is that a polite way of saying that you really don’t want to discuss this, even though you know more than you’re saying?
FM: No, I’m saying I don’t remember.
Pretty remarkable, even for you, Robert. One question: do you remember the comments you left at Reality Uncovered? Because they establish pretty clearly as well just how far Meiwald is willing to go in ordfer to link missile failures at Oscar Flight with a UFO:
“Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said about the incident because he had been resting/sleeping when the first missile or two dropped offline -— which occurred moments after Salas received a report from the Oscar Flight Security Controller about a UFO hovering over the Launch Control Facility’s front gate.
“Although Salas had quickly told Meiwald about that telephone conversation, Meiwald says that he can’t remember it.”
It seems to me that the only person here who is neglecting to examine evidence is YOU. But I established that years ago, claims that you shine a spotlight on every time you publish another set of easily proven lies and conclusions reached without evidence to back them up!
IRT: “Can you produce an email or affidavit from Meiwald, written after my May 6, 2011 conversation with him, contradicting any of this? If so, produce it here. (Don’t hold your breath, folks.)”
Trying reading you own article you incontinent fake! And try reading “Strategic Editing” at http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2011/08/strategic-editing/ ; it shows exactly how far you will go to publish a lie as having any basis in fact. I don’t have to produce anything from Meiwald. You’ve already done it, for chrissake. You just aren’t bright enough to realize that! More importantly, you’ve failed completely to link any missile failures with a UFO! Meiwald discusses two separate incidents: missile failures (which were common in 1967), and a UFO sighting that he only learned about second-hand. No where have you managed to link these two incidents, while I’ve published a large amount of materials indicating that they cannot be linked. You have been completely unable to get a statement from Meiwald stating very clearly “we had 8-10 missiles fail at the same time a UFO was reported at Oscar Flight”. How hard is it to get these simple, cohesive statements? You couldn’t get it with Figel, and you can’t get it with Meiwald. All you can get is a discussion of 2-4 missiles failing and a second-hand report of a UFO that he clearly doesn’t remember, which is a long way from 8-10 missiles failing due to a UFO incursion! It’s no wonder people don’t trust you; you’re either obtuse with little ability to conduct a simple interview, you’re a complete idiot, or you’re lying! No other outcome can be supported by the claims you’ve made. Maybe you should get the substantiation of your claims from your witnesses first, before trying to manipulate their testimony to suggest claims that haven’t actually been made.
IRT: “Nor have you produced an email or affidavit from Figel on any date after I posted his taped conversations with me online. Of course, the reason is because he doesn’t dispute their authenticity, unlike you.”
You are brain-dead. I’ve published numerous articles establishing exactly that, while you’ve failed to produce anything at all that was actually recorded after April 2011. In fact, the above letter that he wrote to me was drafted after you posted the alleged 1996 testimony! It is a response to your claims of what he supposedly said in 1996! You’ve ignored completely Figel’s own insistence that you’re a liar and a fraud. You can’t twist these dates around — I have the originals, and I know he sent you the same accounts he sent me. Your “evidence” is nothing more than your rehashing of old materials that he has already refuted! All you’ve done since then is publish lies that are little more than warped accounts of the original statements! For God’s sake, the last thing you posted was allegedly recorded in 1996! And Figel has already refuted all of it. I don’t need any more statements to prove you a liar and a buffoon. You do that quite well enough on your own.
IRT: “Figel, after accusing Salas of making up the UFO-related events at Oscar, as you mention above, never acknowledged that he had been wrong when he said that Salas’ statements were fiction, never called Col. Meiwald (whose number I provided to him) to verify the authenticity of Meiwald’s tape recorded comments in support of Salas—which contradicted his own uninformed opinions entirely—and frankly, never had the decency to apologize to Salas, even after Col. Meiwald supported Salas without reservation.”
He wasn’t wrong! Salas lied and you’v emanipulated evidence to try and back it up, failing miserably, I might add. And as I’ve already established, Meiwald didn’t contradict anything Figel has asserted, and his comments are not a vindication of Salas. Calling an elephant a giraffe, doesn’t make it a giraffe. The fact is simple: you have not established any vindication of Salas, not through Meiwald, not through Figel, and not with your vivid imagination. You’re apparently too stupid to see that! Meiwald has clearly stated that he doesn’t remember anything about a UFO, but you’re so convoluted in your efforts of logic, that you see the denial of a UFO as a confirmation of a UFO. Try reading the testimony before judging its worth! Col. Meiwald supports Salas without reservation? You’re a fool if you believe that. Do you so quickly deny your own words? You wrote:
“Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said about the incident because he had been resting/sleeping when the first missile or two dropped offline -— which occurred moments after Salas received a report from the Oscar Flight Security Controller about a UFO hovering over the Launch Control Facility’s front gate.
“Although Salas had quickly told Meiwald about that telephone conversation, Meiwald says that he can’t remember it.”
How do you get from “Meiwald then elaborated and said that he couldn’t support everything Salas has said” to “Col. Meiwald supported Salas without reservation”? You’re a head-case, pal. Personally, I think you’re just making all of this up and sounding like a total lunatic, because you would prefer that people think you’re delusional instead of a dishonest hoaxer and a conscious fraud, but either way, your case is unsupportable, and your witnesses will not salvage that loss. They either don’t remember a UFO or they deny that a UFO was ever reported. Your own deceit supports that conclusion.
IRT: “Figel’s tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth is one of the reasons he was not initially invited to participate in my press conference—where seven USAF veterans *with backbone* stuck to their stories and talked in detail about multiple UFO encounters at ICBM sites, including the Echo and Oscar shutdowns. The press conference video—streamed live by CNN—may be viewed at: [Blah, blah, blah].
“With this caliber of witness (seven of them, actually) at the press conference, why would I include Figel, who told me on tape that he didn’t want to get caught up in the debate between you and me and fan the controversy further? That kind of wishy-washy attitude didn’t make the cut.”
So you finally admit that Figel’s testimony is tainted. And yet, you insist that the portion allegedly supporting YOUR claims is true, while everything else is not. Perhaps you missed the part where Figel claims he never made those earlier assertions? What you call “Figel’s tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth”, Figel makes very clear is his claims being warped and abused by you and Salas. He says he’s been consistent. You say he’s lying now that your tendency to mutilate witness claims has been established. Either way, you have still failed to establish your claims as having any basis in reality. As for those USAF veterans who “stuck to their stories”, I have to ask, which ones? Because they’ve very provably changed those stories on numerous occasions, which is one of the many reasons so many people dismiss your claims, and their “little folk tales”.
I’m glad, however, that you’ve finally admitted that Figel was not invited to your press conference. If you remember, the first time I asked you “why”, you told me he had been invited, and would have been welcome. I guess that’s just one more example of your habitual reliance on lies and subterfuge.
IRT: “However, Figel did at least have the courage to say on tape that you were “off-base” and had “an ax to grind” regarding the events at Echo. Of course, you never mention that very crucial fact in your ceaseless tirades. But anyone can hear Figel say it on tape, if they choose to.”
As if that’s relevant. You’ve told so many lies about what Figel and my father have allegedly told you on tape that you’ve failed to ever produce, that I just don’t care anymore. You always lie first, and you always end with irrelevant insults that can’t be supported by anything. You have a notable habit for discussing all of the evidence you have yet to produce. With some of it, as in the letter to Reality Uncovered above, we’ve been able to prove that it’s just more of your lies. It is this characteristic of your strategies that proves your ultimate worthiness of trust. I know you’re lying, because I’ve been able to prove so many of your lies so easily.
IRT: “Keep up the good work, James!”
Count on it, pal. It’s my policy. Your credibility declines every time I answer your ridiculous claims with well-established facts. And every time you attempt to defend your claims, you fail, because at their core is the base dishonesty you have always relied upon. And I truly enjoy pointing that out to anybody who might otherwise want to give your claims an honest appraisal.
One more thing, Robert. If you really believe that trying to link nuclear weaponry with UFO incursions is going to frighten the rest of America enough that they’ll demand full disclosure of all UFO materials by the Department of Defense, you’re very mistaken. The American public will not sign your happy little petition, and most people who pay any attention to your claims are quite certain that you’re just another dishonest and addle-brained fruitcake without the ability or the ethical constraint necessary to be convincing. People know you’re a fraud; they know you’ve been exceedingly dishonest in your attempts to establish these assertions. Your inability to make an honest assessment of information is commonly discussed from France to Sweden to Japan. People don’t trust you, and they won’t believe that you offer anything at all worthy of trust. That’s why even those individuals who believe in UFOs refuse to defend you or your research. They already know it’s tainted once it’s been filtered through YOU. That’s also why fewer and fewer people are willing to pay you to make such imaginary claims. Eventually, you won’t even be able to GIVE it away, as you’re doing now. Thank God for universal health care coverage, yes? Oh, wait — you might lose that, too. Damn! Good luck, pal… You’ll need it.
Well its obvious these witnesses stay on the FOB too much, this is Battle Field Illum. Various planes will drop it to illuminate the night for night vision optics when the ambient illum is very low or 0. there must have been something going on where a unit requested it. you can see the illum with the bare eye but under NODs it lights up the ground like the sun. There are pros and cons to it though, too much can be dropped which can reveal marines positions on the ground and drown out NODs.
Thank you, Mike — it’s good to have a sane and experienced voice around to rely on. To a great degree that’s exactly the professional attitude and positive approach to questions asked that our country has come to expect from the Marine Corps.
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I too seen these in afghan. They were not flare or illum. I have served 20yrs and never on a battlefield have I seen anything like it. They were at the west if the runway, and just hung in the sky. My friend and I watched them for ages they did not move or fade, we had to go on duty so don’t know how ling they were they but it was some time!! Hmmm mystery!!
My view of these was later august 2012 approx.
I’m new to this so called Hastings/Carlson debate. But I have come up to speed pretty quickly. If your interested in an uninterested outsiders opinion. Hastings has done us a good service by reporting these events honestly and fully. Carlson is a fame whore trying to make his name on another man’s work. IMHO